Outlaw Wisdom: Discussions About Life, Love and Everything In-Between
An original podcast devoted to the underdog and hosted by Drew Glick (author of the book series, The WheelHouse). Join Drew goes as he goes toe-to-toe with special guests, influencers, actors, authors and fellow Outlaws, and shares stories of tragedy, triumph, loss, grief, redemption and success. Drew will take his listeners on a one-of-a-kind journey that will motivate, inspire any prove that anything is possible as long as you believe it is.
Outlaw Wisdom: Discussions About Life, Love and Everything In-Between
From Tragedy to Triumph: How Tiffany Villalobos Witnessed the Making of a Legend
Tiffany Villalobos comes to Outlaw Wisdom to share her journey as an actor and filmmaker in Los Angeles. From her early acting days to founding AllThisTV (named for her initials, not television), she reveals the creative drive that pushes artists to constantly make something new despite the challenges.
The conversation takes an unexpectedly deep turn as Tiffany and Drew reflect on their years-long friendship that began with a casting call in 2018. What started with Drew calling out Tiffany's reserved nature during their first meeting evolved into a bond that would prove essential during some of life's darkest moments. "We've come a long way over these years," Drew notes, "I've grown as a person. I think you've grown as a person."
As a witness to Drew's extraordinary resilience through a serious accident and subsequent five-year legal battle, Tiffany offers rare insight into why he earned nicknames like "the white knight" and "the man of steel." Her outside perspective validates what many listeners have questioned: How does someone walk away from being hit by a truck at 30 mph and maintain such resolve through years of challenges? "You always have the mentality that you can do it, so you will do it," Tiffany explains, capturing the essence of Drew's approach to seemingly insurmountable obstacles.
Both creative perfectionists openly discuss their struggles with self-criticism, with Tiffany admitting she cringes watching her performances and Drew confessing similar feelings about his writing. This vulnerability reveals the universal creative struggle—how even accomplished professionals battle self-doubt while continuing to create.
The episode concludes with a look at Tiffany's current projects, including "The Last Box," a short film exploring lingering feelings between ex-partners during a final belonging's pickup. Like many creative endeavors, it represents both a current artistic expression and a potential seed for larger projects based on audience reception.
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Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom. Outlaw Wisdom Tiffany Villalobos comes to Outlaw Wisdom to share memorable stories from her career as a filmmaker and entrepreneur. But that's only the beginning. Go beyond the hardened facade of a broken man and listen as Tiffany presents to listeners a truth which Drew has long denied. With first-hand accounts, Tiffany will tell listeners about the fabled white knight and expose the moment that Drew took his tragedy and turned it into triumph. This is Outlaw Wisdom. Let's begin, shall we?
Speaker 3:Tiffany, how are you today? Welcome to Outlaw Wisdom.
Speaker 2:I'm doing well, Drew. How are you?
Speaker 3:Tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 2:My name is Tiffany Villalobos. I'm an actor here in Los Angeles. I've been mainly just acting. It wasn't that long after that I met you, drew, but, yeah, I've been acting since then. And then, around 2020, I started my production company called Aldis TV, which Drew took you, however, many years to figure out that the TV wasn't for television. It was for Tiffany Villalobos. People just assume that TV means television, but it is actually Tiffany Villalobos, because originally it was just like videos for YouTube, not necessarily catered to me, but because it was my thing. Tv was for Tiffany Villalobos. When you're just creative in general and you're surrounded by creative people, you just want to make things. You get that. You're always wanting to do something. Hopefully it keeps expanding, because I would like to do more bigger projects like actual series and independent films, things like that, in the future. That would be great. Well, don't you have a little?
Speaker 2:something in the works, It'd be great Well don't you have a little something in the works? Yeah, that originally started off as just like an audio series, mainly because I just kind of wanted to tell a story and do something, and the easiest way to do that without having a huge budget would be to do audio. So, and and I've always loved Greek mythology, I don't know why I've always been obsessed with it and I wanted to tell stories in my own way with Greek mythology. And, yeah, I haven't done. It hasn't gotten to the point where I want it to be yet, but hopefully soon it's more, more my thing where I haven't haven't, uh, I haven't been as motivated as it should be to, uh, to get that into the next step, but yeah, I can't, I can't imagine that all too well oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, but eventually we have to find some sort of even.
Speaker 2:like, when you're not motivated, you just kind of have to do it and I don't know, I think I just haven't been just doing it and I need to. I think it's also like writing something that's based off of something in Greek mythology and wanting to write it without it sounding super modern. For me has been the challenge, like the vernacular and the way people would speak needs to seem closer to then than to now, and you know, like how we abbreviate everything here and speak slang and things like that. And yeah, so like that. That. That for me, I think, has been the challenge. That and I I've laid it out for like, because I want it to be episodic, and I think I've made an outline myself of like 12 or 13 episodes and it's that's a lot to write, and I think I'm looking more at, like, the picture where I'm like oh gosh, 12 episodes, I need to write that many, but I should be thinking smaller of like okay, just write the first one and then just keep going.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the same thing happens to me when I'm like oh man, I got to write 250 pages for this next book and it's kind of like a curse and a blessing at the same time.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Especially when you know that there's like an obscene amount of things that you need to get on paper. Quote unquote Right.
Speaker 3:Right? Well, I mean, you and I are both perfectionists, so I'll sit there and reread what I've written a hundred times and say, no, that's no good, I got to do it again. So you know we share that in common. But tell listeners about this recent thing you did at the Beacon. Are you allowed to talk about?
Speaker 2:that I think. So I just don't think I can give like the details of it.
Speaker 3:Did you sign an NDA?
Speaker 2:If you didn't sign an NDA. You're all clear on that one. You know what I did not, and I will tell Deji that he didn't make me sign an NDA.
Speaker 3:You're in the clear on that. Nobody can come after you and, by the way, deji already knows what's going to happen if he comes after you or comes after me. We all know that.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right yeah.
Speaker 3:And bad things will happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no. The beacon yeah, it's not not my project. That was something where I was just acting in it, but I think Deji did value my opinion on things as far as like script and character goes, and I don't want to give too much detail about it, but I guess it's kind of like a futuristic sci fi proof of concept for a full length feature that he wants to do.
Speaker 3:Right, I mean, I remember I referenced it as comparable to the video game Death Stranding with Norma Reedus, so the artwork and imagery was very similar to that. So you know, riding that wave, I think it can go somewhere.
Speaker 2:But tell people who Deji is. By the way, deji is, I guess you could say, like an up-and-coming director. He's directed a few things mostly shorts and some music videos, I believe but he's trying to grow and expand himself and his knowledge and his experience. So he's been trying to do more like independent features, which is why we did this proof concept, which I saw a rough cut like his initial, like assembly cut. I haven't seen anything after that and let me tell you we are all our own worst critics.
Speaker 2:I cringe every time I watch my acting because, I just, yeah, I mean even with your stuff, drew.
Speaker 3:like you know what we shot last time you never told me that, that you're like you know, cringing when you see, cause I do the same thing I like. I'm like Tom Cruise. I can never watch anything. I ever do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I try not to, because I'm always going to doubt my ability and I'm always like God, I could have done that so much better, or I should have made this choice instead. And I think, just you know, creative people do that in general with their work, whether that be acting, directing, writing, whatever it is. I think we're all always going to question how well we executed something and I, I will always automatically be like no, I could have done better, right. Even though other other people might not see it that way, I, I'm always going to Right.
Speaker 3:Well, you, you know, like I talked to you, I talked to you back in day about when I released the book and how I thought it was for lack of a better term, like you know unreadable because it was. So it was an angry book and it was very cryptic and morbid. But, you know, on the flip side of that, people love that book and they read, read, they read it all over the world and it's shocking to me, you know. So it's I can relate to, like how you feel about watching yourself and being a critic and, you know, not feeling that you've done the best job possible. But you know, in retrospect though, I mean what we've worked on together. Everybody always says Tiffany was great, drew, you suck. So you know. Hey, you know, maybe I shouldn't play myself in the future. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't think it matters, like if you enjoy if you enjoy what you're doing. I don't think it matters like if you enjoy. If you enjoy what you're doing, I don't think it matters very much yeah exactly, exactly. But yeah, I, yeah. Whatever you're, I think whatever you're passionate about, if you're putting it out there for other people to see, you're always going to question how well it's received right, exactly.
Speaker 3:True words have never been spoken, right? Yeah, yeah. So tell listeners how you and I met. That's like that's the whole book in itself on that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know. No, we. I don't remember the year I want to say it might've been 2018 or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just to refresh your memory, tiffany, not to interrupt you, but it was two months before I got run over by the pickup truck, so it was like September of 2018.
Speaker 2:I feel like it was longer before that.
Speaker 3:Was it really? I don't know, maybe I could be wrong, I could be wrong.
Speaker 2:I thought so. I don't know, maybe I'll look through my old emails and see if I can find like our original.
Speaker 3:Oh, you keep those emails. Oh wow, I got to be careful. That's blackmail right there.
Speaker 2:No, but we originally met because I had seen a casting call that you had put out and I think I just had submitted like a headshot. I don't even think I had a resume at that point, I'm not sure. But yeah, I submitted my headshot and maybe don't even think I had a resume at that point, I'm not sure. But yeah, I submitted my headshot and maybe wrote a little bit about me and my experience. And then you asked for like a like a video audition and you sent me a little bit of stuff to do.
Speaker 2:So, sent that in. Yeah, yeah, I had. Yeah, I did so. Sent that in. Yeah, oh, wow, yeah, I did it. I don't remember what the scene was or anything like that. Obviously it was for the role of Amber and yeah, I sent the audition and I think it was through the email that you said I had gotten the part, and then I don't know how much longer it was after that, but then we had like a photo shoot or something. Yeah, which was supposed to be for a book cover On the green screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we scratched that book cover and went with like 3D realistic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I think too we might have done a little bit of a script to read through when we were there.
Speaker 3:I believe we did. I think that was with the scene with Aubrey as the adopted daughter. I believe, yeah, I believe so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, adopted daughter. I believe, yeah, I believe so, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I always ask guests that know me to, to, kind of like, give their honest opinion of me when they first met me. So what, what did you think of me as I don't know, as a person, as a professional, I know, back then I was still driving trucks, so I was like all over the country back then. Yeah, like you know what, what, what were your first impressions of me taking? A poll here.
Speaker 2:I'm taking a poll, by the way yeah, yeah, I mean I think I don't know. You seem like a, like a genuine person. The first time we met you, you even called me out. Actually, when I did, I got there. Yeah, because I I got there fairly early. You know if you're early or on time. If you're on time, you're late. But I had gotten there pretty early and you were already there and they hadn't unlocked the space yet.
Speaker 2:So we were kind of just like talking out in the front and someone else showed up I can't remember who it might've been the photographer, the makeup lady and I wasn't very talkative, like I'm not a very talkative person right off the bat, like I, I feel like I need to get to know people. I'm not, I'm not an extrovert. So I kind of like you guys were like everyone was kind of like talking back and forth. It was like you and adam, whoever this other person was and everyone kind of just like you know, started showing up and everyone's having a conversation. I kind of was just like standing there observing and then, at one point, you were the one taking the notes.
Speaker 3:What was that? I said you were the one taking the notes, right? You're going to report back to the big boss, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly yeah. So everyone was kind of just having a conversation. I'm kind of just standing there and then you kind of just turned away and looked at me and you were like I can't remember exactly what you said, but it was like something along the lines of just like, like, like what you you can't even like like have like during the conversation with us. Like you didn't even hug me when you came up and I was like really, and then I was a fucking asshole.
Speaker 2:You should have fucking told me to shut my mouth well, I was like I don't even know you, so you yeah, but you threw it at me and I hit it right back at you.
Speaker 3:I. I don't remember that part, but the irony to that story is that we've come a long way since then, right, you and I, and we become closer, and you know I always tell people that you're family. So yeah you know, I guess you know bumps in the road or bumps in the road, but I think that we were a lot closer now and the two of us have gone through a lot of shit together.
Speaker 3:You know, I mean right you were, you would, you were there through those whatever five and a half, six years of me fighting with all that legal shit and on and off the phone with Seth, and you know, I have to say, you know, looking back on all that, you know, I think that was a godsend for me back then, because I didn't have that support network, you know, and you know, who knows, maybe that was the reason for it all. I mean, if you want to believe in that kind of thing, you know. But so yeah, I mean, excuse me. So yeah, I, I mean I value our friendship and our relationship and you know, I think we, you know we have a lot in common, especially coffee. The two of us are coffee themes. You're the one that turned me on to Starbucks, by the way, and gotta blame you for that one, because I'm going broke on that shit. You know that right.
Speaker 2:That's not my fault, it's not your fault. You gotta learn some self control.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the chai's, the chai's do it every time.
Speaker 2:I thought you couldn't have chai anymore.
Speaker 3:I can't. So you know, I'm having fake chai's sugar, free shit, and it tastes like garbage.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 3:It's garbage.
Speaker 2:Gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but no, I mean, we came a long way over these years. I've grown as a person. I think you've grown as a person and unfortunately, the world's on fire, but you know, we just gotta take it day by day. So let's, let's talk about what you're. What's going on now? What are you working on? Anything?
Speaker 2:I mean, aside from the audio thing. Oh, I guess. Yeah, I did shoot that one thing with Deji, that I wrote that script, I sent you, I did shoot that. But that was more of like like I just wanted to do something because you know when you're that was.
Speaker 3:That was like, that was what'd you call it again the last box or something like that yeah, yeah, the last box oh sorry, did I breach confidentiality. I apologize.
Speaker 2:No, it don't matter.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, and that was more so. Just, yeah, I wanted to do something and just get something out there to show that I'm still working and I'm trying to stay active as an actor. But it kind of was just like a scene of something Right. Right, I guess I'll see how well it's received if people would like to see a follow-up. But it kind of starts not even mid-story. I feel like there could be a prequel if people like it and there could be a sequel if people like it. But yeah, like it, and there could be a sequel if people like it. Um, but yeah, and that's essentially. The last box is about a couple that broke up and the ex comes to get her last box of stuff from the apartment and they kind of have a small little heart to heart and realize that they're still lingering feelings there and it ends very open-ended. Something could come of it, something could not. So, right, yeah, like I said, it was basically just a scene. I think daji's editing it now. Oh, really really.
Speaker 3:So the one guy that you don't want to ask me to edit that shit, huh, wow, okay, I see you now. I see where it is.
Speaker 2:No, Deji wanted to edit it.
Speaker 3:Well, me and Deji are going to have to have a talk, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, because he directed it, he wanted to edit it, so it still had the same feel, I guess. But I got you, don't worry about it. But I think he's also still doing stuff with the beacon, because I think there are a few things that they need to like, do some pickups, so I think they're still working on it. So I wouldn't doubt it if the last box came out before the beacon. But yeah, so working on that now. And it's funny, I actually just had an idea for something the other week, so I started writing something and I was like, huh, okay, I'll see where this goes and I think, what I might do, because you know me, I have like a million different ideas and.
Speaker 2:I can't do them all at once. So I think what I want to do is maybe do like a proof of concept of each one and see which one kind of gets the better, and see which one kind of gets the better, like a better reaction from you know, the audience or whatever, which one's better received, and then carry on that particular one from there. So it's like, if I have, you know, three different ideas, I'll shoot three different proof of concepts, put them out there and whichever one people seem to like the most, then I'll build on that one. Right, right, right. So I've been thinking of that lately.
Speaker 3:So I want to step it back for a little bit and a lot of people have always asked me over the years, you know, about what it was like to go through all that trauma following, you know, not not only with the accident, but you know the shit in New York that I wrote about, I keep writing about, and I know that you were there for a lot of it.
Speaker 3:I know you were, you were privy to a lot of information, not all of it, but just to kind of give listeners like a, like an impression, me and my resolve. Like how would you, how would you describe those years? Was it like a never ending story? Did it seem like it was going to go on forever? My no less may. You made the comment to me that you were scared because I was in the hospital following the blood clot. So I'm just trying to get people an impression of me and you know, because I've always been accused of like caring more about other people than myself and you know, I just want to get your insight into that, being somebody that was there for a lot of it, right?
Speaker 2:For a lot of it. Right. I think you kind of said the main thing there Of like it seemed like it was just going on forever, like and no, no fault to your own. I don't think it was necessarily anything that you could have done differently, it was more so. You know the other People or whatever involved that just you know the other people or whatever involved that just kept, you know, dawdling and dragging their feet and dragging it out for however long it was what five years or something like that no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Right, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't, I don't take kindly to the people that want to put me into a precarious position, you know, especially when other people's lives and livelihood is on the line, you know so because I bring this up because I bring?
Speaker 3:I bring this up because a lot of people have always asked me about, like, why did I get the nickname the white night back in the day, and I'd be very reluctant to talk about that. And I tell people, read the books as they come out and you'll know why. But you know, and I think I've said this to you numerous times over the years, that we seem to follow in the same footsteps, you and I, the same path in life. And I think you know, when I try to explain to people, like when I see somebody else going through like similar circumstances that I did, I tend to intervene because I try to keep them from going down that path, because that was a very hard path for me and it still is in some regard.
Speaker 3:So you know, I mean you, you saw me at the good, the bad and the ugly. You saw me before the accident, during the accident, after the accident, and then you know, with that bullshit last year, during the accident, after the accident, and then you know, with that bullshit last year, and it's just it's. I like to get other people's opinions because people like Drew, I don't know how you did this and how do you do this alone, and not that I'm alone, but you know I don't have. You know I don't have family out in California and it's hard. You know what I mean? It's hard.
Speaker 3:So all I got right now laying under my feet is baby Leeloo and I don't think she could do much other than like bite someone in the ass if they got, you know, in my way, right? So I just like to get other people's input, you know, because a lot of people find that story to be like hard to believe and unbelievable. You know how do you get run over at 30 miles an hour and walk away Like nothing happened. So but that's why they call me the man of steel, you know. Yeah, so I always like I always like to get people to interject, but listeners to, you know, give them more, better exposure from a different perspective than my own, you know.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I think, regardless of whatever situation you're in, you always have a lot of resolve and determination and I don't think you ever think that you can't do something. I think no matter what it is, you always have the mentality that you can do it, so you will do it exactly the less that power as they say, right yeah, yeah, exactly which yeah.
Speaker 2:The more you know you, you get back what you put out into the world and exactly the more, the more positivity you have of yourself and your situation and where you're at in life. It only be positive like you.
Speaker 3:Don't let the negative thoughts really get to you there's enough negativity out there, as as it is from other people, so you know.
Speaker 1:I don't want to be.
Speaker 3:I don't want to be my own worst enemy. You know I've been there before. I put up with that. I've dealt with that and you know I try to instill that wisdom in people like you. You know people that I'm close to and not everybody takes to that. Some people, you know, push me away but hey away, but hey look, you know everybody's entitled to their, their own opinions yeah to each their own so is there anything that you would like to tell the listeners to look out for?
Speaker 3:you got a website you want to promote, or you just want to let them find it on their own?
Speaker 2:They can find it on their own. Your listeners are smart. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, you could just look for anything. That's all this TV. All one word, if you, which I've come to find, if you space it out, you're not finding it. I don't know why, like if you're on YouTube.
Speaker 3:Don't be Drew, don't do what drew did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, yeah, you can look up anything, that's yeah, all this TV or my. You can look at my Instagram. My at is Tiffany Lobos, you can see. So actually, no, I haven't posted anything in a long time and I was thinking about that they found out, maybe, like last month. I was like damn, it's been, I think, a couple of years since I posted something.
Speaker 3:I'm not super active on social media is what it is. Well, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is like I think back in the day I was more concerned about it. But as I'm saying is like I, I think back in the day I was more concerned about it, but as I'm getting old like yeah, whatever, it's just social media.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, but you know my feelings about social media.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but for those who are, you know, social media savvy and like those, like, like that kind of of thing, you can check out my instagram. I don't do like twitter or whatever they tiktok or anything like that. I'm basically. I'm basically like a grandpa, all right.
Speaker 3:Well, you know if people want to learn more about you, I'm sure they'll they'll go digging All right. Well, you know, if people want to learn more about you, I'm sure they'll go digging. Yeah, but I appreciate your time and your input and, you know, hopefully we'll see you on the big screen in the near future.
Speaker 2:I think we will, though I got good feelings about that. Yeah, Thanks for having me for one. I know we've been trying to get this done for a little bit, but happy to to do this with you and, yeah, I think eventually we'll both have things out there that are going to be bigger and better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, can't, can't go. You know like the old saying goes can only go up. You know, just can't go.
Speaker 2:You know if the old saying goes can only go up.
Speaker 3:You know, just uh, you know, gotta, gotta, gotta get beyond this nonsense going on in the world right now and once, once things come back to normal, I think the floodgates will open, you know yeah, yeah, I agree but yeah, so great to have you, tiffany, and I look forward to maybe having you back on in the near future yeah, for sure, I'd be happy to do that great well, have a great weekend and we'll talk to you soon thanks, jerry.
Speaker 2:Have a good weekend too you too, bye, bye.
